Just in case you wondered…
3 April 2007 - 16 ניסן 5767 by Huw
Women don’t get to do this, ok (At least according to the Xian Patriarchy). I guess women are anointed to shut up and breed. Ironic coming from a monk, no?
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Actually, in the history of Christianity there are volumes and volumes and volumes of good writing from women about feminine spirituality. Conversely, there isn’t anywhere near that amount written about specifically masculine spirituality. Or would you rather that the monk tell women what feminine spirituality is about?
That assumes there is a difference - one that has to be noted, not invented by men, yes?
The body does not tell lies.
The body does not invent.
Male.
Female.
Note the difference.
Not invented by men or women. Yes.
you are quite right.
Is the spirit different or the same?
Men conceive life outside their bodies.
Women conceive life inside their bodies.
Given the “both-body-and-spirit” nature of humanity (not body only, not spirit only)–
the physical facts have spiritual relevance.
Christ sent (Greek “apostled”) men “out” to beget life outside the Church.
The Gospels show Mary (and the other women) “mothering/midwifing” life inside the Church, but not designated by the word “apostle” by Jesus. If this feminine charism does not take place inside the Church, then no man will ever receive the Spirit to make even the mere beginning of being an apostle to those outside the Church.
Acts 1:12-14
Then they returned to Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is near Jerusalem, a sabbath day’s journey away; and when they had entered, they went up to the upper room, where they were staying, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot and Judas the son of James. All these with one accord devoted themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus….”
The “upper room”: the “womb” where the Eucharist, the Body of Christ, was born. There too, now, on Pentecost, the Body of Christ the Church is to be born. Mary had already received the outpouring of the Spirit from on high some thirty years before in Nazareth where she conceived the human Body of Christ. She does not need “the upper room.” However, she “midwifes” the birth of the apostles as apostles; she exemplifies to them how to say yes to the Spirit. Empowered by that Spirit on Pentecost, those men go out of “the upper room”, the birth-chamber of the Eucharist and the Church; they go out of the Body of the Church and conceive life outside the body (as males do): that very day, 3000 were reborn in baptism.
Mary and the women did not do what the apostles did. Nonetheless, they helped make possible what the apostles did.
Women in the history of the Catholic Church have been in the forefront of mystical expressions and experiences of spirituality. Their “body-and-spirit” feminine openness to the Spirit is necessary and very human “difference” that has “conceived” life in and for the Church in a way that men are not so easily adapted for.
By the way…. What about the argument that says Jesus could not have chosen women to be apostles because the society of his day would not have allowed that to be practiced? Such an argument does not make sense at all. It presupposes that Jesus let society tell him right from wrong. The fact is, he died for telling society right from wrong.
It also presupposes that Jesus was fully human and fully part of his society - which he was. It makes no claim about his church’s inability to evolve or change as society does. Or that we might come to a new understanding of what it means to be human. I’m not trapped in the 1 century of the common era: neither is Jesus. (Who died for telling us that God is love. And a culture of legalism killed him for it.)
I make no claims for the Christians of the first centuries, trapped in their own culture’s problems and weaknesses. Nor do I presuppose our culture’s weaknesses and problems to be better or worse: only different.
I do not, however, imagine that one must adopt the presuppositions of the 1st Century in order to follow Jesus - any more than one must be a 17th century Russian or 5th Century Greek or 16th Century Italian to pull it off. One can - and should - be a 21st century whatever one is. Those parts of church-ianity not able to live in these cultures (without importing or enforcing some out-dated or even dead culture or psychology or metaphysics from the past) then are not divinely inspired: only the traditions of men, and can be avoided.
PS: I generally don’t dialogue with pseudonyms this long without knowing who they are. You have no blog or website - only an extensive history of anonymous and conservative comments on the internet. If you are the poster of the original article (at “Me. Monk”) please identify yourself: otherwise you are defending something that it is not your place to defend: someone else’s personal opinion.