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		<title>By: Huw</title>
		<link>http://raphael.doxos.com/2007/12/25/from-der-alter-mokem/#comment-1886</link>
		<dc:creator>Huw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 14:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool.  I've had a conversion story well... several where it took no time at all.  Consider me to be slow now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool.  I&#8217;ve had a conversion story well&#8230; several where it took no time at all.  Consider me to be slow now.</p>
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		<title>By: Yael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 14:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can only speak for Judaism, as I've experienced it, and not any other religion.

I would say that if quite some time goes by and no decision has been made, that in itself is a decision.

I and the people I know who converted to Judaism just seemed to know who we were supposed to be.  Once I started studying Judaism, come hell or high water, I was converting and it was the same with the other converts I know.  The only people I know who had trouble deciding if they should convert or not never ended up converting and eventually went off to other things, which is cool. 

There are a lot of people who express an interest in Judaism, but I think it a certain drive and determination to go throuh with conversion. Until someone starts studying one-on-one with a rabbi, I don't pay much attention to any expressed interest in conversion. We have a fairly constant trickle of converts at my shul.  Our stories are all different except for one thing; that determination to become a Jew. 

Guess that doesn't really answer your question!  For Judaism I would have to say no, it doesn't seem to take a lot of time deciding; the time is in preparing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can only speak for Judaism, as I&#8217;ve experienced it, and not any other religion.</p>
<p>I would say that if quite some time goes by and no decision has been made, that in itself is a decision.</p>
<p>I and the people I know who converted to Judaism just seemed to know who we were supposed to be.  Once I started studying Judaism, come hell or high water, I was converting and it was the same with the other converts I know.  The only people I know who had trouble deciding if they should convert or not never ended up converting and eventually went off to other things, which is cool. </p>
<p>There are a lot of people who express an interest in Judaism, but I think it a certain drive and determination to go throuh with conversion. Until someone starts studying one-on-one with a rabbi, I don&#8217;t pay much attention to any expressed interest in conversion. We have a fairly constant trickle of converts at my shul.  Our stories are all different except for one thing; that determination to become a Jew. </p>
<p>Guess that doesn&#8217;t really answer your question!  For Judaism I would have to say no, it doesn&#8217;t seem to take a lot of time deciding; the time is in preparing!</p>
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		<title>By: Huw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Huw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 08:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If one is not looking for the 100% Good for All Time and One Size Fits All, This-will-Get-You-Into-Heaven-but-That-Won't Truth... you have to keep looking.

But yes, you are right.  Good Enough is Good Enough.    It takes, however, a bit of a while deciding, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If one is not looking for the 100% Good for All Time and One Size Fits All, This-will-Get-You-Into-Heaven-but-That-Won&#8217;t Truth&#8230; you have to keep looking.</p>
<p>But yes, you are right.  Good Enough is Good Enough.    It takes, however, a bit of a while deciding, no?</p>
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		<title>By: Yael</title>
		<link>http://raphael.doxos.com/2007/12/25/from-der-alter-mokem/#comment-1883</link>
		<dc:creator>Yael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 08:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I begin to think the “blind faith” part of any religion is in accepting these claims. Having accepted them the rest falls into place naturally.&lt;/i&gt;

I don't know how much I accept of any claims but I do know I find the Torah and God fascinating.  Whether any of Torah is true or not, I enjoy the wisdom I find within the text.  I've realized that my soul has found a home in Judaism and this is where I'm staying.  

I liken it to the story Rabbi told one year about the search for the perfect Etrog.  The goal for Sukkot is to have the best etrog you can find.  So, each year in Jerusalem there are people picking through all the etrogim to find that perfect one.  There has to come a time, however, when you realize good enough is good enough; perfection isn't needed.  Those who can't grasp this concept will keep searching until finally all that is left are the discards no one wanted.  

With religion, good enough is good enough.  If someone wants perfection, if someone wants everything to be provable, I guess they'll have to become God.  For the rest of us, we can find what is meaningful for us and go from there or we can keep searching and digging, hoping we'll find that perfection which somehow escaped the notice of everyone who came before us. 

Me, I'm happy to be through with the search.  Now I can relax a bit and enjoy the fragrance of my etrog....my pretty doggone good etrog.

How do we know when we've hit good enough?  I suppose everyone has to decide that for themselves.  But, I think once that decision is made a person has to force themselves to stop searching further.  Good enough is indeed good enough.

Now you can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's the understanding you're coming to reach as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I begin to think the “blind faith” part of any religion is in accepting these claims. Having accepted them the rest falls into place naturally.</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how much I accept of any claims but I do know I find the Torah and God fascinating.  Whether any of Torah is true or not, I enjoy the wisdom I find within the text.  I&#8217;ve realized that my soul has found a home in Judaism and this is where I&#8217;m staying.  </p>
<p>I liken it to the story Rabbi told one year about the search for the perfect Etrog.  The goal for Sukkot is to have the best etrog you can find.  So, each year in Jerusalem there are people picking through all the etrogim to find that perfect one.  There has to come a time, however, when you realize good enough is good enough; perfection isn&#8217;t needed.  Those who can&#8217;t grasp this concept will keep searching until finally all that is left are the discards no one wanted.  </p>
<p>With religion, good enough is good enough.  If someone wants perfection, if someone wants everything to be provable, I guess they&#8217;ll have to become God.  For the rest of us, we can find what is meaningful for us and go from there or we can keep searching and digging, hoping we&#8217;ll find that perfection which somehow escaped the notice of everyone who came before us. </p>
<p>Me, I&#8217;m happy to be through with the search.  Now I can relax a bit and enjoy the fragrance of my etrog&#8230;.my pretty doggone good etrog.</p>
<p>How do we know when we&#8217;ve hit good enough?  I suppose everyone has to decide that for themselves.  But, I think once that decision is made a person has to force themselves to stop searching further.  Good enough is indeed good enough.</p>
<p>Now you can correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, but I think that&#8217;s the understanding you&#8217;re coming to reach as well?</p>
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