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	<title>Comments on: Pastor In Chief&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Huw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Huw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 14:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Render.  Caesar.  God.

Yes, I think Jesus would have compartmentalised.

And yes, I think he spoke not at all to the politics of his day... and *if* he did, that is not at all applicable now: for what one says to a semi-divine foreign monarch is not applicable  in a secular democracy   Unless the head (or attempted head) of that democracy attempts to inject divine approval or approbation into his secular rule.

Then, yes, I think Jesus had a lot to say.

My Kingdom,  This World.  Different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Render.  Caesar.  God.</p>
<p>Yes, I think Jesus would have compartmentalised.</p>
<p>And yes, I think he spoke not at all to the politics of his day&#8230; and *if* he did, that is not at all applicable now: for what one says to a semi-divine foreign monarch is not applicable  in a secular democracy   Unless the head (or attempted head) of that democracy attempts to inject divine approval or approbation into his secular rule.</p>
<p>Then, yes, I think Jesus had a lot to say.</p>
<p>My Kingdom,  This World.  Different.</p>
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		<title>By: Sol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 14:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never considered that the something from the Bible might not speak to a specific society. It seems to me that if a society thinks of Jesus&#039; words as cute and quaint that says more about the society than about Jesus.

Maybe there is something inherently unflattering in being compared to smelly, stupid sheep, but then maybe the point of being a Christian is not to be flattered.

As for the use of religious metaphors in other contexts, do you think Jesus has such a compartmentalised view of people? Does He think of people as having a religious side and a political side? Are all of His metaphors not of this world?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never considered that the something from the Bible might not speak to a specific society. It seems to me that if a society thinks of Jesus&#8217; words as cute and quaint that says more about the society than about Jesus.</p>
<p>Maybe there is something inherently unflattering in being compared to smelly, stupid sheep, but then maybe the point of being a Christian is not to be flattered.</p>
<p>As for the use of religious metaphors in other contexts, do you think Jesus has such a compartmentalised view of people? Does He think of people as having a religious side and a political side? Are all of His metaphors not of this world?</p>
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		<title>By: Huw</title>
		<link>http://raphael.doxos.com/2008/01/04/pastor-in-chief/comment-page-1/#comment-1978</link>
		<dc:creator>Huw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 17:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m suggesting religious metaphors have no business at all in discussing how to relate to a political leader.



Just as an aside I&#039;ve never liked the sheep metaphor: it&#039;s culturally loaded from a tribal world and doesn&#039;t speak to an urban society - who tend to think of it as &quot;cute&quot; and &quot;quaint&quot;.  Back in the 1990s I asked who else finds it flattering to be compared to &quot;smelly, stupid sheep.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m suggesting religious metaphors have no business at all in discussing how to relate to a political leader.</p>
<p>Just as an aside I&#8217;ve never liked the sheep metaphor: it&#8217;s culturally loaded from a tribal world and doesn&#8217;t speak to an urban society &#8211; who tend to think of it as &#8220;cute&#8221; and &#8220;quaint&#8221;.  Back in the 1990s I asked who else finds it flattering to be compared to &#8220;smelly, stupid sheep.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 17:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus is a leader with a bunch of sheep following after Him. You sound like you don&#039;t like the idea of having a pastor at all. Or are you suggesting that people should follow those characteristics you depict in their relgious lives, but bifurcate this from their political life?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus is a leader with a bunch of sheep following after Him. You sound like you don&#8217;t like the idea of having a pastor at all. Or are you suggesting that people should follow those characteristics you depict in their relgious lives, but bifurcate this from their political life?</p>
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