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	<title>Comments on: Seminary&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Fr. Ernesto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fr. Ernesto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 13:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly enough, one of the things that is most often not known about Trinity Episcopal School for Ministry is that in its original founding they required that every student participate in assigned service to the community, whether mopping seminary floors or volunteering in a hunger center. I do not know whether that continues to be a requirement.

But, let me defend the liberal seminaries only in that they originally located where they did before those became high price zones. They were founded so as to make it easier for students to reach them. But, I can remember talking to older clergy who remembered when the bishops would give significant (or sometimes total) support to those whom they sent to seminary.

Yes, Christianity in America has lost much. We want Master's degree (Ph.D. preferred) clergy, but then want them to work for low wages, and complain bitterly should they say something. We want academic excellence, but complain about spiritual poverty. We want dynamic and inspiring sermons, provided we do not need to follow through. We want 24/7 service, as long as no member is required to make a commitment longer than one hour a week. We want a respected community leader who cares for the poor, as long as they do not actually attend our church.

I suspect that if Jesus were to come back, he would begin many of his sentences addressed to America with "Woe to you. . ."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly enough, one of the things that is most often not known about Trinity Episcopal School for Ministry is that in its original founding they required that every student participate in assigned service to the community, whether mopping seminary floors or volunteering in a hunger center. I do not know whether that continues to be a requirement.</p>
<p>But, let me defend the liberal seminaries only in that they originally located where they did before those became high price zones. They were founded so as to make it easier for students to reach them. But, I can remember talking to older clergy who remembered when the bishops would give significant (or sometimes total) support to those whom they sent to seminary.</p>
<p>Yes, Christianity in America has lost much. We want Master&#8217;s degree (Ph.D. preferred) clergy, but then want them to work for low wages, and complain bitterly should they say something. We want academic excellence, but complain about spiritual poverty. We want dynamic and inspiring sermons, provided we do not need to follow through. We want 24/7 service, as long as no member is required to make a commitment longer than one hour a week. We want a respected community leader who cares for the poor, as long as they do not actually attend our church.</p>
<p>I suspect that if Jesus were to come back, he would begin many of his sentences addressed to America with &#8220;Woe to you. . .&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Huw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Huw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 01:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"When I graduate I will go full time into the mission field-have no idea how I’m going to raise funds for that while paying off student loans…" 

I had a friend who, for nearly a decade (in the 1980s), turned away the phone calls from his student loans (at Harvard) by reminding them he was a priest in charge of a very poor parish.  I don't know what happened in that situation, although he is still a priest.  One wonders that *any* minister of any denomination can pay it off.</description>
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<p>I had a friend who, for nearly a decade (in the 1980s), turned away the phone calls from his student loans (at Harvard) by reminding them he was a priest in charge of a very poor parish.  I don&#8217;t know what happened in that situation, although he is still a priest.  One wonders that *any* minister of any denomination can pay it off.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Hollis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie Hollis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 01:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm currently in seminary and am certainly racking up some student loans, but I should walk away with somewhere between "only" $40,000-$50,000 in student loans.  At AMBS (Associated Mennonite Biblical Seminary) students only fund the school's expenses from the beginning of September through mid-October, the rest of the school year (mid-October through July) is funded by donors.  Our professors' jobs are really a labor of love though-as far as professors go, they don't make much at all.

When I graduate I will go full time into the mission field-have no idea how I'm going to raise funds for that while paying off student loans...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m currently in seminary and am certainly racking up some student loans, but I should walk away with somewhere between &#8220;only&#8221; $40,000-$50,000 in student loans.  At AMBS (Associated Mennonite Biblical Seminary) students only fund the school&#8217;s expenses from the beginning of September through mid-October, the rest of the school year (mid-October through July) is funded by donors.  Our professors&#8217; jobs are really a labor of love though-as far as professors go, they don&#8217;t make much at all.</p>
<p>When I graduate I will go full time into the mission field-have no idea how I&#8217;m going to raise funds for that while paying off student loans&#8230;</p>
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