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	<title>Comments on: An Oil Question</title>
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		<title>By: Fr. Ernesto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fr. Ernesto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that you are right on the nationalization. It does not mean that nationalization will happen, but that it is a tempting path to take. However, given the high percentage of oil that we import, nationalization would lead to an international backlash that would really hurt us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that you are right on the nationalization. It does not mean that nationalization will happen, but that it is a tempting path to take. However, given the high percentage of oil that we import, nationalization would lead to an international backlash that would really hurt us.</p>
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		<title>By: siren19</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't mind the irradiated food thing either, actually. I agree that the U.S. will not be able to drop the price of gas solely through acts of navel-gazing, I mean, greater conservation, unless we were also somehow able to get China and India (in particular) to do so. Even though they currently use far less energy per capita than we do, they are understandably irked with some of America's "do as we say, not as we have done" attitude towards car ownership, A/C everywhere, etc.

Any potential price drop, even with a successful (but unlikely) governmental effort to keep the products of offshore drilling for the domestic market, wouldn't happen until possibly 2030, according to some reports, by which time I would hope we're all well on our collective way to some other primary source of energy (and Huw, you and I shall be poring over our retirement savings by then). Meanwhile, we will have the immediate environmental and economic costs of the oil spills, etc. which inevitably accompany drilling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t mind the irradiated food thing either, actually. I agree that the U.S. will not be able to drop the price of gas solely through acts of navel-gazing, I mean, greater conservation, unless we were also somehow able to get China and India (in particular) to do so. Even though they currently use far less energy per capita than we do, they are understandably irked with some of America&#8217;s &#8220;do as we say, not as we have done&#8221; attitude towards car ownership, A/C everywhere, etc.</p>
<p>Any potential price drop, even with a successful (but unlikely) governmental effort to keep the products of offshore drilling for the domestic market, wouldn&#8217;t happen until possibly 2030, according to some reports, by which time I would hope we&#8217;re all well on our collective way to some other primary source of energy (and Huw, you and I shall be poring over our retirement savings by then). Meanwhile, we will have the immediate environmental and economic costs of the oil spills, etc. which inevitably accompany drilling.</p>
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		<title>By: Huw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Huw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm with you on the radiation - that's why I buy tetra-packs whenever possible.  And our local Hippie store carries them :-)

What do you think of my capitalist idea? Even if we have oil wells all over, unless we force them to give the oil to us (nationalisation) it won't work, unless we bully the world back into a strong dollar and a weak everything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you on the radiation - that&#8217;s why I buy tetra-packs whenever possible.  And our local Hippie store carries them :-)</p>
<p>What do you think of my capitalist idea? Even if we have oil wells all over, unless we force them to give the oil to us (nationalisation) it won&#8217;t work, unless we bully the world back into a strong dollar and a weak everything else.</p>
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		<title>By: Fr. Ernesto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fr. Ernesto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What appears to be clear is that demand may be beginning to outstrip production. I say "may be" because a couple of the oil producing countries claim that this is a speculator bubble rather than a true shortage. If demand outstrips production, then the strongest bidder will, indeed, take the first cut of the oil.

However, it is also not in the oil producing countries best interests to really have that happen. It could be a shortcut to military action against them if the prices begin destroying the world economy. This is why a couple of the countries have been trying so hard to talk the prices down. (They assume it is a bubble.)

The USA has a couple of problems in particular. We have not built an oil refinery since close to the middle of the last century. Anti-technology ecologists have made the process of licensing any new means of energy production so prohibitive that they have stopped even legitimately needed expansions. Their battle cry has been to essentially claim that any development of any type will permanently damage the environment, kill us all, and trigger the Apocalypse. They make a fundamentalist dispensationalist preacher sound positively benign. Unfortunately, they have a clout far larger than their numbers.

Recently, drilling for oil in previously protected areas has crossed the 50% approval line in national polls. As more than one commentator has pointed out, we need short-term and long-term plans. There is little doubt that drilling is not a short-term plan. However, to say it is no plan at all is simply more of the typical American short-sightedness. It is a plan for the mid-term, as the first oil wells could start producing before the next President finishes serving two terms in office. And, it may buy us the time we need to continue working on alternative methods of energy production, including nuclear.

BTW, one of the best ways to lower energy usage is to irradiate food so that it can be packaged and stored on shelves rather than on the refrigerator (until opened). This method is successfully used in several Global South countries without evidence of any ill effects to the populace. However, our friendly neighborhood anti-technology ecologists have done their busy little job in scaring people with no scientific evidence to back them up. After all, it is radiation so it must be bad, right?

I am very ecologically minded. My wife and I divide up our trash, keep the thermostat high in summer, etc. It is ecologists that I can't stand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What appears to be clear is that demand may be beginning to outstrip production. I say &#8220;may be&#8221; because a couple of the oil producing countries claim that this is a speculator bubble rather than a true shortage. If demand outstrips production, then the strongest bidder will, indeed, take the first cut of the oil.</p>
<p>However, it is also not in the oil producing countries best interests to really have that happen. It could be a shortcut to military action against them if the prices begin destroying the world economy. This is why a couple of the countries have been trying so hard to talk the prices down. (They assume it is a bubble.)</p>
<p>The USA has a couple of problems in particular. We have not built an oil refinery since close to the middle of the last century. Anti-technology ecologists have made the process of licensing any new means of energy production so prohibitive that they have stopped even legitimately needed expansions. Their battle cry has been to essentially claim that any development of any type will permanently damage the environment, kill us all, and trigger the Apocalypse. They make a fundamentalist dispensationalist preacher sound positively benign. Unfortunately, they have a clout far larger than their numbers.</p>
<p>Recently, drilling for oil in previously protected areas has crossed the 50% approval line in national polls. As more than one commentator has pointed out, we need short-term and long-term plans. There is little doubt that drilling is not a short-term plan. However, to say it is no plan at all is simply more of the typical American short-sightedness. It is a plan for the mid-term, as the first oil wells could start producing before the next President finishes serving two terms in office. And, it may buy us the time we need to continue working on alternative methods of energy production, including nuclear.</p>
<p>BTW, one of the best ways to lower energy usage is to irradiate food so that it can be packaged and stored on shelves rather than on the refrigerator (until opened). This method is successfully used in several Global South countries without evidence of any ill effects to the populace. However, our friendly neighborhood anti-technology ecologists have done their busy little job in scaring people with no scientific evidence to back them up. After all, it is radiation so it must be bad, right?</p>
<p>I am very ecologically minded. My wife and I divide up our trash, keep the thermostat high in summer, etc. It is ecologists that I can&#8217;t stand.</p>
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