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Roots Post #1

THE FIRST Sentence is the most important in the entire book: Christianity is in the first place an Oriental religion, and it is a mystical religion.

Huw wroted this on September 15th, 2008

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4 Responses to “Roots Post #1”

BJA
September 16th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

Yes, indeed, Clement is 100% correct: but not in the way many Pop Byzantines want to use that against the Christian West. “You should be Eastern Orthodox because Christianity is Eastern.” Er, yes, but “Eastern” or “Oriental” is a pretty comprehensive term. The fully developed medieval culture of Byzantium is a very far cry from the world of first-century Judaism. So, in my book, the statement that “Christianity is an Oriental religion” means, at its very beginning, it was a branch of first-century apocalyptic Palestinian Judaism.

James
September 16th, 2008 at 5:34 pm

Well said, BJA. N.T. Wright often makes the same point in books like The New Testament and the People of God and Jesus and the Victory of God. And first-century apocalyptic Palestinian Judaism could be just as mystical, if not more, than medieval Byzantine culture. The former tends to combine practical and this-worldly concerns with mysticism whereas Byzantine Orthodox mysticism seemed to take on a more other-worldly, escapist approach, especially after the fall of Constantinople.

Huw
September 16th, 2008 at 5:50 pm

Y’all’r funny. It’s not Clement, though: I forget who it is. It’s the preface writer. You think I’m still suffering from convertitis?

I actually agree with him 100% still. Although I don’t do so in the Anti-Occidental way many converts do. Remember: I read this the first time as an Anglican. I agreed with him 100% then.

In my head then – and still, to be honest – western religion, can include all kinds of paths. In its stereotyped form (in critique offered by Mary Daly, etc), as I read it ten years ago and still do now, Western religion is unmagical, unspiritual and all because God is ultra transcendent instead of immanent. Oriental Christianity has more in common with Taoism than with Masonry and ritual magic. I think of “Christ the Eternal Tao” here as compared to, eg, the anal celebration of Rubrical Religion, eastern or western rite. In that one sentence I heard “Christianity as it is intended is a foksy, homey religion, ‘the word is very near you.’” Arturo is, I think discussing this Oriental Religion even in Mexico.

I read the entire book in that mind and agreed 100%: but didn’t find it in Orthodoxy.

The thing was the religion I read in this book is real, present and active. It’s out there, living in the world: but you’ll not find it in your by-the-book eastern or western rite parish. You can, however, find it in communities of any denomination.

From this head – agreeing 100% with this sentence – I’ll be writing my commentary.

Sally
September 16th, 2008 at 10:35 pm

Forgive me if I regurgitate something written in the book – my copy is still in transit as there was a problem with shipping. I’m just commenting on others’ comments at this point.

Oriental in the sense, too, that the east is the cradle of civilization that everything proceeded from.