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		<title>Comment on Persecuted Christians helping the poor by Cynthia Stephen</title>
		<link>http://raphael.doxos.com/2008/08/28/persecuted-christians-helping-the-poor/#comment-6616</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynthia Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 05:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which part of the reports did you not read? When the children and women and a paralysed man were killed in the violence, which kind of leader of which kind of community will say "turn the other cheek"? Because it was not your cheek that was slapped. if it were, you would have the choice to say this. What would Jesus have done if he saw women violated and children and the disabled terrorised? 

I too am an Indian, a woman and a committed Christian too. Please do not make insensitive comments about helpess and hopelessly overwhelmed groups of beleaguered Indians being persecuted for thier faith for years, because their so-called leaders have only been turning thier cheek and/or building thier own empires instead of working out what it takes to further the citizenship rights of the tiny christian minority in India.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which part of the reports did you not read? When the children and women and a paralysed man were killed in the violence, which kind of leader of which kind of community will say &#8220;turn the other cheek&#8221;? Because it was not your cheek that was slapped. if it were, you would have the choice to say this. What would Jesus have done if he saw women violated and children and the disabled terrorised? </p>
<p>I too am an Indian, a woman and a committed Christian too. Please do not make insensitive comments about helpess and hopelessly overwhelmed groups of beleaguered Indians being persecuted for thier faith for years, because their so-called leaders have only been turning thier cheek and/or building thier own empires instead of working out what it takes to further the citizenship rights of the tiny christian minority in India.</p>
<p>Cynthia Stephen</p>
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		<title>Comment on Typology Test by Ian</title>
		<link>http://raphael.doxos.com/2008/08/28/typology-test/#comment-6615</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 05:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>INFJ for me...</description>
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		<title>Comment on Makes the heart Cackle by Byrd</title>
		<link>http://raphael.doxos.com/2008/08/23/makes-the-heart-cackle/#comment-6614</link>
		<dc:creator>Byrd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The "reviewer" that I read who said that English is not allowed has demonstrated on an EO forum that he knows nothing about the history of the English language or that the Gospels, worship and prayers were translated into various Anglo-Saxon dialects more then 1000 years ago (to give the number he cites.)  I have had interactions with him before and he does not, for the most part, seem to understand reading in context among other things.  Imho his views may be ignored with no loss of any valuable information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;reviewer&#8221; that I read who said that English is not allowed has demonstrated on an EO forum that he knows nothing about the history of the English language or that the Gospels, worship and prayers were translated into various Anglo-Saxon dialects more then 1000 years ago (to give the number he cites.)  I have had interactions with him before and he does not, for the most part, seem to understand reading in context among other things.  Imho his views may be ignored with no loss of any valuable information.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Typology Test by BJA</title>
		<link>http://raphael.doxos.com/2008/08/28/typology-test/#comment-6613</link>
		<dc:creator>BJA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>INFJ! Whatever that means!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Typology Test by Michael</title>
		<link>http://raphael.doxos.com/2008/08/28/typology-test/#comment-6610</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am also ISFJ. When I first took the test -- back in 1977 -- I was depressed by the outcome, but that is because I did not fully understand the categories. I was off the scale on introversion -- which amused my classmates because I talked all the time. They just had no idea how much talking I was doing in my own head!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am also ISFJ. When I first took the test &#8212; back in 1977 &#8212; I was depressed by the outcome, but that is because I did not fully understand the categories. I was off the scale on introversion &#8212; which amused my classmates because I talked all the time. They just had no idea how much talking I was doing in my own head!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Typology Test by Jamie Hollis</title>
		<link>http://raphael.doxos.com/2008/08/28/typology-test/#comment-6609</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie Hollis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 04:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took the complete test a year and a half ago and am an (no surprise here) INTJ.  Introvert, intuitive, thinking, judging.  I am on the extreme side in each category, except the judging which is borderline.  There's actually a book we used at the seminary that looked at our personality type when looking at ministry.  I forgot the name though, and my bookshelf isn't handy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took the complete test a year and a half ago and am an (no surprise here) INTJ.  Introvert, intuitive, thinking, judging.  I am on the extreme side in each category, except the judging which is borderline.  There&#8217;s actually a book we used at the seminary that looked at our personality type when looking at ministry.  I forgot the name though, and my bookshelf isn&#8217;t handy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Summer of Love&#8230; by Marjorie</title>
		<link>http://raphael.doxos.com/2008/08/27/summer-of-love/#comment-6603</link>
		<dc:creator>Marjorie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 04:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with basically everything you've said-- and America definitely is Rome in today's version of the gospels. Don't get me wrong-- Dorothy Day &#38; Peter Maurin will always be much more fundamental to my political philosophy than any Democrat or Republican. But I just don't think that means that everyone we admire or support has to be one of the "Jews" of the scenario-- I think we can be good citizens of the Kingdom, squarely not "pagan Romans," and still support a righteous centurion or two. I hope this clarifies what I meant. Thanks for responding-- and thanks again for your blog which always inspires thought and questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with basically everything you&#8217;ve said&#8211; and America definitely is Rome in today&#8217;s version of the gospels. Don&#8217;t get me wrong&#8211; Dorothy Day &amp; Peter Maurin will always be much more fundamental to my political philosophy than any Democrat or Republican. But I just don&#8217;t think that means that everyone we admire or support has to be one of the &#8220;Jews&#8221; of the scenario&#8211; I think we can be good citizens of the Kingdom, squarely not &#8220;pagan Romans,&#8221; and still support a righteous centurion or two. I hope this clarifies what I meant. Thanks for responding&#8211; and thanks again for your blog which always inspires thought and questions.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Summer of Love&#8230; by Huw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Huw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thank you deeply for your compliments.  I pray I will be worthy of them!  

I also thank you for your critique and my apologies for not explaining my point.  I'm not comparing anyone in the USA to Pilot. Here's my reasoning: (We did this in a class at Church...)

Name the groups of persons mentioned in the Gospels:

Disciples (and/or "Believers")
Jews
Pharisees
Sadducees.
Zealots
The Roman Army (+ Herodians +Sadducees = local Govt)
The sick.
Scribes + Lawyers
Demoniacs
Jesus' direct family.
Samaritans.
A few disparate Gentile groups.

There is one group - that held sway over all these persons.  It is a *central* group in the Gospels (and in the Epistles).  But it is never mentioned.  

Which group are we (Modern, N. American, Middle Class - or even lower class - and Upper Class, largely white, but a few other races are represented as well) most like?

We are most like the group not mentioned at all: the group that sent the Army in to oppress the Jews, the group that propped up Herod, the group that took the wealth away in taxes.  In many cases we could care less about the ins and outs of politics in some tiny little corner of our empire (where God is now living in the flesh).  The revolution started in that oppressed corner was aimed *exactly* to topple our towers.  The message of inclusion, protection, equality was aimed exactly at our heads.  The message that "Jesus is Kyrios" is subversive exactly to our leader - and only by inference to those petty kings we've set up in other parts of the empire.  We are living in the modern centre of the Roman Empire - even up here in slowly dying impoverished Buffalo.  We might like to imagine ourselves as publicans or Pharisees, or like tax collectors and harlots, but we're not even in the story yet.

And neither party is set up to topple our system of oppression.  Instead, both parties are set up to support our system of oppression - albeit with different means; means which we may like or dislike in the ways that some Romans preferred The Republic to Caesar.

I see in the SDS - in the activism of Students (some are supporting Obama and some not) a much greater amount of hope than I do in Obama or Hillary or, certainly, McCain.  But the hope I see in SDS (etc) has nothing to do with Democrats or Republicans.  And, let us be clear: only recently are the Democrats on "our" side.  They could just as easily switch later.  The SDS represents now (as it did in the 60s) an appeal to direct democracy, and a toppling of our own towers.  The folks in the 1960s largely lost site of that: the oppression America makes on the rest of the world was forgotten, for some reason, as the Baby Boomers all became Yuppies and did cocaine and voted for Reagan.  

Maybe (only maybe) this generation won't loose sight of the ultimate end of the struggle.  But neither party would dare ally itself with that struggle's ends - save only as a means to more votes which, in the final tally, are all votes against that struggle.

I think the Church - the revolutionary community that was sharing all things in Acts - would most identify with that struggle because that Church did something no one else had ever done: celebrated the Kingdom not as something to struggle for but as something to be *lived* now, here.  I don't need to topple a gov't tower just to win my rights.  My rights are from God - Gov't can't take 'em or giver 'em - and my rights, my property, my freedoms are all best used in laying them down and giving them to you.

That's the Kingdom. That's the world the SDS (etc) is struggling to achieve - but they don't see it when they look at any church - because we've all signed up for a party.  So when they look at us, they don't say "See how they love each other!!!!" Rather, they say, "they are part of the problem we have to overthrow..."

That's our fault: because we're Romans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thank you deeply for your compliments.  I pray I will be worthy of them!  </p>
<p>I also thank you for your critique and my apologies for not explaining my point.  I&#8217;m not comparing anyone in the USA to Pilot. Here&#8217;s my reasoning: (We did this in a class at Church&#8230;)</p>
<p>Name the groups of persons mentioned in the Gospels:</p>
<p>Disciples (and/or &#8220;Believers&#8221;)<br />
Jews<br />
Pharisees<br />
Sadducees.<br />
Zealots<br />
The Roman Army (+ Herodians +Sadducees = local Govt)<br />
The sick.<br />
Scribes + Lawyers<br />
Demoniacs<br />
Jesus&#8217; direct family.<br />
Samaritans.<br />
A few disparate Gentile groups.</p>
<p>There is one group - that held sway over all these persons.  It is a *central* group in the Gospels (and in the Epistles).  But it is never mentioned.  </p>
<p>Which group are we (Modern, N. American, Middle Class - or even lower class - and Upper Class, largely white, but a few other races are represented as well) most like?</p>
<p>We are most like the group not mentioned at all: the group that sent the Army in to oppress the Jews, the group that propped up Herod, the group that took the wealth away in taxes.  In many cases we could care less about the ins and outs of politics in some tiny little corner of our empire (where God is now living in the flesh).  The revolution started in that oppressed corner was aimed *exactly* to topple our towers.  The message of inclusion, protection, equality was aimed exactly at our heads.  The message that &#8220;Jesus is Kyrios&#8221; is subversive exactly to our leader - and only by inference to those petty kings we&#8217;ve set up in other parts of the empire.  We are living in the modern centre of the Roman Empire - even up here in slowly dying impoverished Buffalo.  We might like to imagine ourselves as publicans or Pharisees, or like tax collectors and harlots, but we&#8217;re not even in the story yet.</p>
<p>And neither party is set up to topple our system of oppression.  Instead, both parties are set up to support our system of oppression - albeit with different means; means which we may like or dislike in the ways that some Romans preferred The Republic to Caesar.</p>
<p>I see in the SDS - in the activism of Students (some are supporting Obama and some not) a much greater amount of hope than I do in Obama or Hillary or, certainly, McCain.  But the hope I see in SDS (etc) has nothing to do with Democrats or Republicans.  And, let us be clear: only recently are the Democrats on &#8220;our&#8221; side.  They could just as easily switch later.  The SDS represents now (as it did in the 60s) an appeal to direct democracy, and a toppling of our own towers.  The folks in the 1960s largely lost site of that: the oppression America makes on the rest of the world was forgotten, for some reason, as the Baby Boomers all became Yuppies and did cocaine and voted for Reagan.  </p>
<p>Maybe (only maybe) this generation won&#8217;t loose sight of the ultimate end of the struggle.  But neither party would dare ally itself with that struggle&#8217;s ends - save only as a means to more votes which, in the final tally, are all votes against that struggle.</p>
<p>I think the Church - the revolutionary community that was sharing all things in Acts - would most identify with that struggle because that Church did something no one else had ever done: celebrated the Kingdom not as something to struggle for but as something to be *lived* now, here.  I don&#8217;t need to topple a gov&#8217;t tower just to win my rights.  My rights are from God - Gov&#8217;t can&#8217;t take &#8216;em or giver &#8216;em - and my rights, my property, my freedoms are all best used in laying them down and giving them to you.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the Kingdom. That&#8217;s the world the SDS (etc) is struggling to achieve - but they don&#8217;t see it when they look at any church - because we&#8217;ve all signed up for a party.  So when they look at us, they don&#8217;t say &#8220;See how they love each other!!!!&#8221; Rather, they say, &#8220;they are part of the problem we have to overthrow&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s our fault: because we&#8217;re Romans.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Summer of Love&#8230; by Marjorie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marjorie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you that our country's political machine is at best mediocre and at worst a source of great evil and corruption in the world, and that Christians should consider themselves citizens of the Kingdom of Heaven first and foremost, but don't you think this is a little harsh?: "Only the Pagan Romans in NT would have liked the Democrats or the Republicans." I read your blog almost every day because I think it is one of the best articulations of the gospel on the internet, but I thought this was a little much. I know that Obama's policies aren't radical and I disagree with many of them, but even if you don't get the Obama thing, I don't think it's fair to dismiss the thousands of people electrified by Obama's rhetoric for service, hope, change, justice, equality as "pagan Romans." I just watched a YouTube video of college students like myself who put together an a capella version of will.i.am's "Yes We Can" song (with the words of Obama's New Hampshire speech), and I continue every day to be impressed by the effect the Obama campaign is having on my peers. I know he's not the first politician to inspire young people, but isn't the point that young people are inspired? That Obama's life story and words confirm in me my own passion for social justice and help me to understand for once how this can also be interchangeable with the words "civic duty"? That this is part of my story as an American and not just as a lover of God?

I just finished reading a three-part history of Britain by Simon Schama, and he quoted someone who said in response to a question about what Winston Churchill did for the war effort, "Talk about it." Churchill may have been a slightly hypocritical out-of-touch elitist semi-racist imperialist but his speeches brought together a generation of people when they needed to be united, when they needed to come together and survive, despite the Blitz, despite the temptation to give up. Schama argues that at the very least, Churchill's impassioned rhetoric meant that Jewish schoolchildren in Britain were not rounded up into sports stadiums to be sent to Auschwitz like in Vichy France. He may have been part of an unconscienceable, reactionary political system, but that's no excuse to just immediately write off the power of symbolic leaders to call us to justice and freedom and unity-- whether or not you "get" it yourself. It's certainly not an excuse to label anyone who does as equivalent to Pontius Pilate.

Schama's personal favorite Briton of the 20th century though was not Churchill, but George Orwell. One quote he cites from him might be appropriate here: "To be loyal both to Chamberlain's England and to the England of tomorrow [his socialist England] might seem an impossibility, if one did not know it to be an everyday phenomenon... [to this day,] it gives me a faint feeling of sacrilege not to stand to attention during 'God Save the King.' That is childish, of course, but I would sooner have had that kind of upbringing than be like the left-wing intellectuals who are so enlightened that they cannot understand the most ordinary emotions." I'm not saying insinuating that of you, whom I respect greatly, but I will say that I am tired of the cynicism of others who share my political/social opinions and their quickness to be frustrated with any imperfect sign of hope and change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you that our country&#8217;s political machine is at best mediocre and at worst a source of great evil and corruption in the world, and that Christians should consider themselves citizens of the Kingdom of Heaven first and foremost, but don&#8217;t you think this is a little harsh?: &#8220;Only the Pagan Romans in NT would have liked the Democrats or the Republicans.&#8221; I read your blog almost every day because I think it is one of the best articulations of the gospel on the internet, but I thought this was a little much. I know that Obama&#8217;s policies aren&#8217;t radical and I disagree with many of them, but even if you don&#8217;t get the Obama thing, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s fair to dismiss the thousands of people electrified by Obama&#8217;s rhetoric for service, hope, change, justice, equality as &#8220;pagan Romans.&#8221; I just watched a YouTube video of college students like myself who put together an a capella version of will.i.am&#8217;s &#8220;Yes We Can&#8221; song (with the words of Obama&#8217;s New Hampshire speech), and I continue every day to be impressed by the effect the Obama campaign is having on my peers. I know he&#8217;s not the first politician to inspire young people, but isn&#8217;t the point that young people are inspired? That Obama&#8217;s life story and words confirm in me my own passion for social justice and help me to understand for once how this can also be interchangeable with the words &#8220;civic duty&#8221;? That this is part of my story as an American and not just as a lover of God?</p>
<p>I just finished reading a three-part history of Britain by Simon Schama, and he quoted someone who said in response to a question about what Winston Churchill did for the war effort, &#8220;Talk about it.&#8221; Churchill may have been a slightly hypocritical out-of-touch elitist semi-racist imperialist but his speeches brought together a generation of people when they needed to be united, when they needed to come together and survive, despite the Blitz, despite the temptation to give up. Schama argues that at the very least, Churchill&#8217;s impassioned rhetoric meant that Jewish schoolchildren in Britain were not rounded up into sports stadiums to be sent to Auschwitz like in Vichy France. He may have been part of an unconscienceable, reactionary political system, but that&#8217;s no excuse to just immediately write off the power of symbolic leaders to call us to justice and freedom and unity&#8211; whether or not you &#8220;get&#8221; it yourself. It&#8217;s certainly not an excuse to label anyone who does as equivalent to Pontius Pilate.</p>
<p>Schama&#8217;s personal favorite Briton of the 20th century though was not Churchill, but George Orwell. One quote he cites from him might be appropriate here: &#8220;To be loyal both to Chamberlain&#8217;s England and to the England of tomorrow [his socialist England] might seem an impossibility, if one did not know it to be an everyday phenomenon&#8230; [to this day,] it gives me a faint feeling of sacrilege not to stand to attention during &#8216;God Save the King.&#8217; That is childish, of course, but I would sooner have had that kind of upbringing than be like the left-wing intellectuals who are so enlightened that they cannot understand the most ordinary emotions.&#8221; I&#8217;m not saying insinuating that of you, whom I respect greatly, but I will say that I am tired of the cynicism of others who share my political/social opinions and their quickness to be frustrated with any imperfect sign of hope and change.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pilgrim&#8217;s Curch by Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whata glorious church !</description>
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